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(coughing). >> steve: every time somebody coughs, you wind up with all that flu virus all over you. turn on the light. >> brian: tomorrow, senator marco rubio. steve will have the mask off. good morning. president obama will unveil his gun control agenda later today. it is sure to have pro-gun advocates seeing red when they get the news. we're hearing the president will call for some of the most sweeping changes to gun laws we've seen in decades including executive orders that go around congress. some are comparing to what was passed in the late 1960s. big morning of news. bill hemmer. good to have you here on "america's newsroom". martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. hey, bill. the president is set to make the announcement at white house surrounded by law enforcement officials and children who wrote him letters about gun violence. bill: interesting staging. the national rifle association, the nra, already fighting back with a

tough ad that is on the airwaves now. watch this. >> mr. obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes but he is just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security. protection for their kids, and gun free zones for ours. bill: that is part of it. wendell goler live on the north lawn. what is the reaction to the nra ad, wendell. >> reporter: frankly none, bill. aides say they have no more desire for a confrontation with the nra than they already have. people will see secret service protection for the first family is no more elitist than protection for the president himself. in the wake of the newtown massacre, polls show public opinion in favor of many measures mr. obama will announce today. press secretary jay carney says it will take more than gun controls to make our children safe. >> this is something that we have to address as a nation. it is not something you can do alone through executive action. it is not something you can

do with even a series of laws that, congress might pass. this is a problem that touches on a variety of areas of american life. and it needs to be approach broadly. >> reporter: the white house released letters from children to the president in the wake of the newtown massacre including from this one from 10-year-old kijah from fworge ga. asking mr. obama to stop gun violence. a number of those children will join the president on stage today. bill: we're awaiting the headlines, wendell. what is the expectation? what will be the proposal from the president? >> reporter: here a combination of proposals, bill. some for congress. some measures the government can take on its own. the president will announce a crackdown on people that lie on background checks. tougher penalties for gun traffickers. better distribution of mental health records. he will ask lawmakers to pass legislation requiring

universal background checks and banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines where republican congressman bob goodlatte of west virgina suggests he will run into opposition. >> this is a very important constitutional right. we're dedicated to protecting the second amendment from that standpoint. what we want to focus on are ways to make sure that people with serious mental difficulties are kept away from firearms. >> reporter: even democrats saying the assault weapons ban in particular is a longshot. bill? bill: wendell. thank you. some morning rain there at the white house for you. wendell goler staying dry. martha? martha: some folks in law enforcement are seething over this proposed gun control law changes. they say they will not enforce those laws. in a letter that he wrote tot vice president oregon sheriff tim mueller calls the new laws which we're yet to hear in a couple hours, unconstitutional. >> it all started because my

dep i ts and i were getting questions from folks out there in the community just wanting to know what this was. making criminals out of honest citizens, that is not the right path to go down. pretty humbling actually. never really thought that it was going to go viral. if i could ask for anything to come out of this, just get people talking about it. >> pretty amazing letter coming from a government official. he is kind of saying what a lot of us think. martha: americans are so passionately divided on this issue and this sheriff, not even sure if the vice president will see his letter, but he says he is against any laws that would limit the kinds of protection available to law-abiding citizens. bill: we know the vice president will be with the president later today. meantime new york state, it is not waiting. now the first state to dramatically tighten gun laws after the tragedy at sandy hook. governor andrew cuomo signing new measures into law. backers say it should be a

model for the rest of the country. critics say the law overreaches, it will fail to make people safer. >> just wondering, why we think that this is, after 600 failed gun laws apparently in this state, why this is the magic elixer that is suddenly going to get criminals to pay attention to a law? >> this is the false sense of well-being you're giving to the people of new york state, 769 murders you think you will stop five of them and you solved the problem? bill: critics allege it was done in the dark of night. that law expands the definition of assault weapons to match california's tough standards. it takes detachable ammunition magazines down from 10 to seven rounds. seven the maximum t requires background checks when someone buys ammunition. at least 10 other states now considering tougher gun laws as you see on the map there. martha: let's tell you about this breaking news right now on a fiery chopper crash

that happened on the busy streets in central london. a helicopter, look at this scene, went down in a ball of flames in the middle of morning rush hour. we're told the chopper clip ad construction crane and smashed onto the ground sending black plumes of smoke in the sky. two people were killed in this tragedy. 13 other people hurt, some of them critically. britain's ministry of defense says it was not a military hell copper. this crash happened south of the thames river, very close to the british spy agency mi6. at first witnesses thought it was a terror attack. >> we were sitting having a coffee half past 7: we heard an explosion. sounded like a fighter plane flying over. we heard a loud explosion and thought it was terrorist attack. we came out onto the main road and there was huge piles of smoke on the back. guys are running outside and shouted this is a plane flown into the, the crane there.

so, you know, we tried to see if anyone was hurt. martha: the witnesses to this scene, the pilot and one person on the ground were killed. the top of the crane was said to be obscured by fog at the time. bill: absolutely bizarre when you heard about that this morning. you can understand why they thought it was terrorism too based on the history in that town. live reports on the streets of london coming up later this morning. meantime the house passing a nearly $51 billion sandy relief bill last night, now heading to the senate for its vote. the bill rather aproves money for transit and road repairs, housing for storm victims and money for fema and other relief groups but it is the money that has nothing to do with sandy and damage that has the lawmakers troubled about this bill. >> tragedy like hurricane sandy shouldn't be used as an excuse for a grab bag of spending having nothing to do with emergency relief. >> it is important to me that this money goes to the folks who need it very badly. it is so important to me

that i think we should pay for it. bill: so what kind of pork is in the bill? there is $10 million for fbi salaries and expenses. more than double the amount requested in the previous senate bill. there is $2 million for roof repairs on the smithsonian museum. that is in washington. and $2 billion for roads across the country that are not even in the region devastated by the aftereffects. martha: people have no faith what comes out of congress because it is always that way with things put in there that have nothing to do with the actual bill. so how about this mention as well this morning? another member of the president's cabinet is calling it quits. fox news can now confirm that interior secretary ken salazar will step down in march. an official announcement is expected today. the salazar held the post for the president's first term. before that he was a senator from colorado. salazar joining secretary of state hillary clinton pentagon chief panetta and treasury secretary geithner and other members of the

cabinet heading out the door. not all that unusual. you see a lot of turnover between the first and second term of a presidency. >> look at this shocking new numbers show federal welfare spending will skyrocket in this country. over the next decade. the report is just out from the congressionalee serve service and the congressional budget office and it projects, listen to this, an 80% jump in federal welfare spending by 2022. 80%. is the united states becoming more and more of an entitlement nation? that is a very legitimate question to raise looking at that number. stuart varney joins me now, host of "varney & company" on the fox business network. stuart, that's a big number. >> oh, yes, there will be a massive run-up in the cost and the extent of welfare programs and payments at the federal level over the next 10 years. now as that projection is being made, remember, in the news background you have president obama saying, no spending cuts.

and the rating agencies saying watch out, america. if you don't get your debt under control you will be downgraded. so the actual numbers, this latest projection, martha, they are truly astonishing. as you pointed out, an 80% increase over the next 10 years. that amounts to a total spending in dollar terms of $11 trillion. that would mean that roughly a quarter of all government spending, federal spending would be taken up with welfare payments. that does not include any welfare payments actually made at the state level. this is just the federal level, 11 trillion. how about that? martha: there is no way that we can afford to pay for it on the budget that we're currently on. as you point out no real discussion of cutting anywhere in order to, provide the ability to cover these costs. so what is, we're talking about welfare, what is included in that definition, stuart? >> social security, medicare, not included. that are not welfare programs. included in this definition of welfare, the following.

cash payments, food stamps, housing subsidies, rent subsidies, heating subsidies, medical payments various kinds, family services, cell phones. all these transfer payments from this group to that group in the form of --. martha: federal subsidies for cell phones is part of that? >> there are 6 million federally subsidized, provided welfare cell phones out there. all included in this $11 trillion cost. that is welfare as defined by the republicans on the senate budget committee using the government's own numbers. >> it is shocking. >> it is astonishing. 11 trillion. martha: here the discussion give the gun debate going on in this country who we are as a nation. what kind of nation are we. who are we as a people. i would submit we might want to consider these numbers as well when we talk about who we are as a nation, who we are as a people. >> martha, this is direct reversal of the welfare reform that was passed by president clinton in the

mid-1990's. we've completely turned full circle. martha: would be great to get his reaction to those numbers. we invite him here to do that. stuart, thank you. see you later. bill: so the standoff on raising the limit on the country's credit card. the president saying he will not negotiate. telling republicans to raise it or face a financial crisis. is he right though? why a key republican senator says that is it not exactly true. we'll talk to him in a moment. martha: this is a very big story. trouble in the skies. why an entire fleet of a new commercial airliner is now being grounded. we'll tell you what is very worrisome to these investigators. bill: breaking news. this is portland, oregon. a woman said to be stuck between two brick walls. firefighters said about to cut her out and get her loose. she is alert and communicating but how will they pull this off. martha: how did she get there? bill: right on. a live update from portland, ore goneas to eat like a giant...

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here is a woman not having a good morning, folks but the good news they're work hard to get her out. what a bizarre situation. this is portland, oregon. she is trapped between these two cinder block walls. the fire department is working to get her out. we hear the noise a moment ago, here them literally cutting through these walls. do we have the sound of this woman, this witness? let's listen to this. >> -- on the wall. she fell inside. [inaudible] she was holding on and started panicking so she let two and that's where she ended. >> did you call 911 right away? >> yes. residents called 911. a lot of us were concerned. martha: i don't know what this woman was doing. it is 6:16 in the morning right now in portland. somehow, very early in the morning she found herself walking on this wall or, you know, on the other side of this wall, we don't know if this is a construction site.

we're waiting to get some more details on this. don't know if she is okay. don't know what her physical or mental condition is. all of that remains to be seen. there is a rescue operation underway. a adult female wedged in there. fell between the cinder block wall and a foot of space is open. she is alert and communicating with rescuers on that scene as they try to make holes in that wall. they have to be careful where they do that so they don't hurt her. they want to give her an avenue for an exit. bill: yes, they do. she is really lucky these firefighters are there on scene to respond to her needs. you heard the woman say, she had her purse with her, about a one foot wall you describe or one foot space between the cinder block wall you're looking at. how they will drill the holes in the wall to try to loosen the area up without her possibly slipping further down, even if that is possibility. several tweets coming out of abc affiliate in portland, oregon. firefighters drilling a wall

downtown oregon. think of that headline. where have you ever heard of that before? they are starting to loosen up the wall. perhaps they isolated her so she doesn't fall further than she already has and can get her access. martha: we're hearing that the portland fire department is speaking right now. that's correct. let's listen to that. >> firefighters are pulling away some of that concrete wall and they will create a hole there. they have to pull that section of wall out and that will give them access to the patient. >> at this point we're not going to see this woman come out. this is to relief the pressure. we see it come out. >> now she is directly to their left there. you can see firefighters looking in, talking to the patient. they have really good access point to the patient. that is what they're doing. >> how much does this help, this initial cut? how does this help them in terms of long term rescue operation? they can now see her. >> that's right. it gives them good access to her. now we can put tools and things in place to relief

some of that pressure her being wedged in there. it makes her feel better. looking directly at human face talking to her. alleviates some of that fear. >> she has been in the wall for almost three hours. what are the concerns about her health at this point? >> you know, one. main concerns is i think partment syndrome. when you're body so long like that, blood can pool in different parts of your body. that can create issues with basically a type after blood poisoning. your blood pools and not pumping around the bodpy and can be a big danger. that is one of the major worries. they will try to alleviate that situation. there are medications they can administer to keep that from happening. >> i see wood being brought in now, lieutenant. what is that for? >> i'm not positive on exact piece of wood. they will bring wood in

called shoring to brace things up so they are sure they will not make the problem any worse. so as they work they will brace things and make it as safe as they can. >> so this cut that we see here, this square, you're telling me we'll see a similar square on the other side where she is? is that the next plan will be? that again is to relief the dust and the pressure issue? >> right. that is my understanding of the plan, when last i heard it. now as you can see, these things are constantly changing and they're fluid. so just whatever is going to be best for the patient at any given time. that is what firefighters are going to do. right now they're assessing her. they're talking to her and they're figuring out, okay what is the next best step? do we want to go to plan b or go straight to plan d? so they're looking what is best for the patient. >> reporter: depending how tightly wedged she is and access potentially we could see her come out of this hole? >> it's possible. anything's possible but i

would be a little surprised if they pulled her out of that hole. >> reporter: again you hear they had some dust issues. we can see as lieutenant simmons said, able to see her. imagine what she must be feeling. she is trapped in the crawl space. can finally see a human space up close. she knows they at least made some progress. they know they can at least see her. that must be some relief. again there are long term concerns about her health, circulation and other things. this is a race against the clock a little bit to get her out of this space. bill: this is absolutely bizarre. can you recall watching something like this play out on tv live? martha: i can't say that i have, bill hemmer, in all the years i have on about doing this i have never covered a story about a woman trapped between two walls. she got there 3:00 in the morning. there is story behind this, that much we know. we hope she is okay and she is so lucky working on her with swift rescue. bill: if that is true with a

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martha: we're watching a very bizarre situation. somewhere around 3:00 this morning a woman fell between a building and a cinder block wall in portland, oregon. she was there three hours before somehow discovered. perhaps the morning commute was starting, somebody might have heard her. there is a huge effort to get her out of there, wedged in about a 12 inch space we understand it. her feet are not touching the ground, according to some reports. she is literally hanging wedged between the two walls. they have opened up a section of the wall so they can see her is our understanding and she can

see them which has to be huge relief for her. we're watching this rescue effort. it is, we expect that, you know, we're going to see them pull her out shortly. bill: that's right. this reporter is terrific by the way. kptv out of portland, oregon. she had a lieutenant, was it collins did she say during the commercial break. if she talking in again we'll drop back in and listen. >> reporter: this is part of station 1 urban search-and-rescue team. we have a lot of obviously tall buildings in the downtown area. they train for earthquake, building collapses. they haven't seen anything quite like this but they were prepared. that is how they knew they had to look at all the different options to try to extricate the woman. bill: huh. you wonder, is it a parking lot? is it a construction site? is it a building under construction? if she fell between this 12 inch crack at 3:00 in the morning and it is what, local time is 6:30 in the morning there in portland? that is three hours and 30 minutes. martha: that's a long time

hanging between a building. bill: we had a witness a short time ago explain that, you know, she had her purse with her when she fell between this crack. you wonder, if indeed she would have to wait for morning commute to people arrive at parking garage to hear her scream to locate her inside. we're trying to piece together how in the world this happened. this is the eyewitness from moments ago. roll this. >> at first she was halfway from the wall, from the top. could still see her hand. when the paramedic dids and police and fire trucks everything came you couldn't see her hand no more. >> reporter: look down in the space? it was very narrow. >> yes i live on the fifth floor and i looked down and couldn't see her. she was all the way at the bottom. bill: that fire team, you see them, they are cutting holes in the cinder block in order to access her and bring her to safety. that is the drama that is playing out behind this wall. martha: this woman watched whole thing. she saw her hanging on and

saw her slip between. as i said there is story behind what this woman was doing on a sippedder block wall between the building. we'll find out more about it. we expect they will be able to pull her out in the coming moments. who knows how long it will take them. we'll keep an eye on it. meantime there are plenty of questions this morning about what is in president obama's new gun control agenda. he will reveal that later today. why who will be there to stage the with him on this big announcement raised a lot of eyebrows. bill: martha, there is fallout all over the place because of lance armstrong's apparent sit-down with oprah win if i. -- winfrey. we know what his former teammates are saying. ♪ . i you're suffering from constipation, miralax or metamucil may take days to work.

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bill: another emergency on board one of boeing's luxury dreamliner jets. that plane forced to make an emergency landing in japan after smoke was detected in the cabin. we're trying to figure out what happened there. dan springer with the story from seattle. how bad is this now from boeing? because we have seen repeated incidents now with the 787, dan. >> reporter: bill, this has got to worry boeing officials out in seattle. looks like yet another electrical problem aboard the 787.

financially this has to be a blow to boeing and the dreamliner's reputation. it happened in wednesday morning in japan on all nippon airways. the pilot started smelling smoke in the cockpit. the pilot made emergency landing there were minor injuries as passengers evacuated the plane down the emergency chute. officials at the airport where the plane landed said there was no fire, which is important but they confirmed smelling smoke. japan airlines grounded all 24 of their 787 dreamliners in service. united airlines is the only american carrier to fly the 787. there is no word what they will do at this point. but this appears to be another battery issue but not the same one that happened last week at boston's logan airport. that was the auxiliary battery near the back of the plane on the under bell i l the plane's other lithium-ion batteries sit right below and slightly behind the cockpit, bill.

bill: you wonder about these incidents, dan, and they happened as we mentioned the last couple of weeks. how much is part of the process after new airliner going into service? >> reporter: well it is hard to say. analysts will tell you all new planes have what they call teething problems but these electrical issues they do seem to be a bit more substantial. anytime you have a fire or smoke on board that is really serious. that is why the faa ordered a comprehensive review of the 787 last week. there haste been a lot of talk boeing has been too aggressive trying to ramp up production to 10 dreamliners a month by the end of the year. that would be double what they have currently in production. the ana plane with the latest problem had been in service only three days. this could force boeing into making significant changes to their design and to the assembly the plane that will be costly. the company's stock price, we're anticipating, a lower opening by about 4%. that is based on the futures. a lot of worries this investment, a huge investment by boeing in the

78 will not pay off anytime soon. bill: my bet they figure it out in time. thank you, dan springer live in seattle, washington this morning. >> back to one of the big stories of today. the white house is saying president obama will be surrounded by children when he makes his announcement on gun recommendations. 11:45 this morning we expect that. white house spokesman jay carney explains the reason he will do that today. >> they will be joined by children around the country in wrote the president's letters in the wake of tragedy expressing concerns about gun violence and school safety along with their parents. martha: joined by alan colmes, host of the "alan colmes radio show" and tucker carlson, editor, daily caller and fox news contributor. good to have you here. i'm kind of two minds about issue and you guys are probably of two minds as well. alan, what do you think, good move or not? >> i think it is a great move. these are kids that wrote to the president, doing it with

their parents, with the permission of the their parents. senior bills, affect seniors, when george w. bush signed no child left behind there were children there. how is this any different than any other piece of legislation that affects a group that has particular interest and the group is present when the signing takes place? martha: yeah. >> or when the announcement takes place. martha: the children wrote letters to the president, tucker. and they have been asked to stand by him. they're having their voices heard in america. what is wrong with that? >> well, this is not, this is very serious, very adult and incredibly complicated issue and to bring children on stage is to engage in a kind of moral blackmail. if you're against this legislation you're against the kids. the truth is, no serious person who knows anything about crime noll dpi or violence in our violence in the society believes banning weapons based on their cosmetic qualities is going to save a single life. it is ludicrous. even the white house is not

claiming that the so-called assault weapons boon would have prevented the newtown tragedy or any other shooting or any other 300 deaths attributed to rifles in this country last year. this is not based in science. martha: here's another issue that comes up with the children, alan. if you live in a family that has guns, hunters or has guns for their own security, that is how you grew up, what is the message you're getting from president obama if your dad and your mom believe that safe gun ownership is, their second amendment right and something they should not be a shamed of? >> no one is saying that. we don't know what the president is going to say. that is different issue whether or not it is appropriate for children to be present. that is a very separate issue. i don't believe the president's ever said that hunters should not have access to guns or take away guns from hunters. that is not at all what is being discussed today. and has nothing to do whether kids should be present. martha: i disagree. i think the message is sent to children, if they're

raised in a home that has guns for security or hunting, that the message is that you're not like us and it is divisive to a certain extent. >> he is not talking about taking guns. >> hold on, it is pretty simple. let's not use children to make our political points. both parties do it. i think left does it more than the right. >> say that to the nra. >> here is example of it happening. the president is using children to make a partisan political point and in order my view to curtail a constitutional right. let's keep kids out of it. kids are not public policy experts, right? it is an example how childish, actually it is an appropriate met fa -- metaphor. show me the data. left accuses right against science. show me a piece of science showing banning assault rifles whiffle result -- >> that is different issue than people being present.

the nra calling obama elitist hypocrite because he has secret service protection for his kids. that is the real egregious offense in terms of politicization. martha: we'll show it in a little while and since you brought it up. tucker, you want to respond to that. >> i don't think you should bring children into it in general. shouldn't parade them around at bill signings. shouldn't put them on camera to espouse their political views by definition are unformed and i'll informed. they're kids. they can't wrote. >> were you critical when george w. bush at no child left behind signing. >> i hate that stuff. this is really serious moment in america. we're talking about cure tating a constitutional right. >> no we're not. no evidence of that. >> talking about universal gun registration. >> saying you're curtailing constitutional right. no right is absolute. first amendment is not absolute. second amendment is not absolute. should any weapon be available to anyone any time

they want it? martha: we'll find out what the president has in mind a little later this morning. we hope it will also include something that has to do with mental health and instability and violent videogames. what i'm calling the violent cocktail that really creates this problem. that is what we need to focus on in terms of these three components. thank you so much, tucker. always good to see you. alan, thanks for being here this morning. bill: the debate continues. we have an update on this bizarre story of a woman stuck between a wall in portland, oregon. we just received a picture of said woman inside that wall. no kidding. we will show that picture to you after the break as the firefighters get closer and closer to making her a free woman. martha: after sliding through those two walls. we'll show you that. that is unbelievable. also this story, french troops fighting islamic militants in mali just launched their first major ground operation. could this turn into an all-out war? what does this mean for the united states?

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in fact, so, when heartburn strikes, try zantac® this has been medifacts for zantac® martha: boy, take a look at this. a woman trapped between a cinder block wall and a building. she fell there about three hours ago according to reports. look at this picture. let's show this to everybody at home. this came in from a stringer on the scene. maybe we can take it full to get a better look on right-hand side of the screen. oh,. bill: oh my. martha: this is woman who slid, eyewitness said she had her purse on her shoulder and hanging onto the wall and lost her grip and slid down between these two walls that are said to be about 12 inches apart. and they are working furiously to get her out. we saw them cut through the cinder block wall and try to

establish communication with her. and we understand, obviously, that they're working as hard as they can to get her out and to communicate with her and talk her through this. don't see that every day, bill. bill: looks like there is blanket around her too. so she had been stuck there several hours. it is cold overnight. she needs help and needs it fast. those men screen left are there to do it. we'll bring you the shot when she is free again in a matter of moments. >> mali has been taken over, the northern part of mali by al qaeda-type individuals. we want to make sure we're seeing progress throughout the middle east with mali now having, north mali taken over by al qaeda, with syria having assad continuing to assassinate, kill, murder his own people, this is a region in tumult. bill: remember that? third week in october. mitt romney talking about the newest hot spot in the war on terror. that is now getting a lot hotter. france saying it is hours from direct combat with al qaeda fighters in the

west african country of mali. defense secretary leon panetta says the pentagon may provide limited logistical support to america's ally but will we go further? general jack keane, fox news military analyst, four-star general. former army vice chief of staff. how are you doing, sir. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: we're having a much better day than the woman in portland. when she is free you will see it here. meantime what is france up against now and fran the french do this on their own? would you expect the united states to upgrade its support? what is on the line? >> i think the french jumped in here pretty quick because they saw al qaeda in the maghreb moving south heading towards the capital of mali much more aggressively and more rapidly than anybody expected. french and others were waiting for african force due some months from now to come into mali to try to stop the al qaeda in their intrusion and what they're doing dominating the country. this is kind of an emergency

reaction to what is taking place. the french have been conducting airstrikes, which will have limited value, and now they have got some forces on the ground. but these things, as we know, bill, from 11 years of war in iraq and afghanistan and watching what the israelis did in 2006 against the hezbollah, these things are a lot easier to start than they are to finish. bill: if that is the case, reports about logistical support, reports about the u.s. providing drone support to help french troops on the ground, would you expect that? or could you see a scenario, several months into this contest and paris is asking wash then -- washington for boots on the ground? >> well i think certainly we'll provide them the kind of support that they need in terms of airlift. they also want tankers to help refuel their fighters so they don't have to go back to their bases and stay on station longer. they want increased surveillance, specifically drones, we're probably providing them satellite.

they probably want some of our nsa eavesdropping capability so they can monitor also al qaeda's transmissions but i think this, our administration is pretty clear around been pretty clear for a while they do not want to get on the ground in any of these conflicts and i think we'll avoid putting any troops on the ground. bill: two more things to bring into this discussion. there's a report that they, these rebels, the fighters, actually, crossed over into algeria. took a bunch of werners hostage earlier today at an oil field there. we're watching that story to see how it develops. a lot of fighters dissolved themselves into the tribes and villages. you know how difficult it is to find them then. that is what the french are up against right now. strategically speaking in the greater war on terror why do you see this as so critical in the current fight that is clearly expanding now? >> well the strategic objective of al qaeda, obviously transnational group, has always been to establish a caliphate in the

region, dominate the region. to' achieve that end they have stated publicly from the outset they must drive the united states and the west out of the region. that is why they dropped the two embassies of the united states in the late '90s. that is why the uss cole took place. 9/11 as well, painfully for us. that is why they drove into benghazi to drive us out of that consulate. that objective is there. this is a tactical step along the line to a much larger strategic objective. bill: we're told al qaeda in the maghreb, which is this group, has about 1000 hardcore fighters. we'll see how the french can do it on their own. general jack keane in washington. >> good talking to you. bill: you too. martha. martha: we're awaiting president obama's big big announcement today of the new gun control agenda. that will happen later this morning. it set as showdown for the second amendment. we'll speak with the nra's

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bill: some of the people lance armstrong went after in years he denied being juiced up are talking. you can imagine this will continue. one of his teammates, a former teammates is talking who won tour de france titles now with the disgraced cyclist armstrong and his wife betsy, one of the first publicly to accuse armstrong of doping. that was a few years ago. here is how they are talking now. >> doctor asked him if he had been taking any performance-enhancing drugs. he ratted off a slew of like five of them. and so it was kind, all right, our eyes popped out

of the our head. it was shocker. i didn't want to go to jail. wanted to tell the truth. that meant destroying anybody that was in his path. he is influential in cycling. many other jobs never came around. either you supported lance armstrong or believed the truth. i didn't believe it. it has been a long time coming. instead of walking around kind of humped over not sure how the reaction of other people are going to be i can hold my head up high because i told the truth and the truth has come out. bill: he will watch armstrong's interview with oprah winfrey will air tomorrow night, thursday night. hopes this leads to bigger questions, more questions because he and many others say that armstrong did not do this alone. martha: all right. so millions of americans waking up to find a thick coating of ice and snow outside their windows this morning, all part of a powerful winter storm right now and it is making its way across much of the northeast. meteorologist maria molina is live in the fox weather

center with more on this. hey, maria. >> good to see you. we've been dealing with the storm system for days across areas of the south. this is same storm system that over the weekend produced rhine across louisiana, parts of texas, arkansas and mississippi. over the last two days has been producing freezing rain across parts of northern louisiana and northern parts of mississippi. it has moved into the northeast producing snow into areas across parts of pennsylvania, upstate new york and new england. widespread snowfall amounts three to five inches of snow across southern portions of new england and interior portions of new york and pennsylvania. most of the snow is already over across the city of boston. we dealt with freezing rain south of new york city earlier this morning. thankfully not too much accumulation in the city but areas further south. after an inch of ice across parts of mississippi and louisiana. we still have an ice storm warning in effect across that area. martha, the northeast which dry thing out as we head

basically into tomorrow. you will look at drier weather. we'll see another area of snow developing across parts of the south as we head into the next couple days so we'll keep you posted. >> thank you, maria. i had to drive really slowly to work this morning. better safe than sorry. bill: we were wondering where winter was. martha: thank you, maria. bill: a colorado hunter lucky to be alive, 30 minutes clinging to a patch of ice in a frozen river. he tell fell into the ice while he and his dog were trying to retrieve a goose that had been shot. they are both lucky. martha: we're keeping eye on the situation in portland this morning. bizarre story as we speak. she is trapped behind that wall. a 12 inch space. firefighters are trying to get her out of the we have a picture of her in there we'll show you after this break. bill: a helicopter crashing into the heart of a major city, sending folks running for cover at the height of the morning rush hour. we have a live report on that. [ woman ] if you have the audacity to believe

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martha: breaking news news, a bizarre scene playing out in port l.a.p.d., oregon. a woman is trapped inside this wall. between two walls, a building and a concrete cinder block wall in about 12 inches. there is a look at her on the right hand side of your screen as she is wedged between the two walls. she has her sunglasses on. a woman who was a witness said she hung onto the side of the upper part before sleeping down between the two walls. they cut a whole in the cinder block area, and i believe we have video as well of her inside there. let's take a look at that. bill: you can hear the machines. martha: you can hear the sound, she is obviously not moving anywhere in that video. you can hear the sounds of the machines. what must be going on in her mind. it must be terrified.

we have lieutenant damon simmons of the fire department. welcome, you are on the scene, what is going on. >> right now firefighters have cut a window on each side of the patient. they have access on the patient. they want to get a blanket to her to keep her warm, we have her husband here keep her spirits up. they are gaining access to her through a door and they hope to get her unwedged and basically out from between the wall and building. she is basically in about an 8-inch space. we tonight have access to the nature of her injuries. martha: she's in an 8-inch space you say. >> yeah. martha: any idea how she got there? >> no. she obviously had to fall there. it's about a 20-foot high wall. we don't know why she was up where she was. there is no walkway or anything like that up there.

no information on how she came to be on top of the wall, but she obviously fell at some point. >> when her husband was there did he comment on where she was last night and why at 3:00 in the morning here she was in this precarious situation. >> no, and honestly the firefighters are worried about getting her out and her safety. martha: that story we'll unravel later i assume. hopefully it will be in a situation where she is doing really well and she can explain how all of this happened. you know, in terms of injuries, and in terms of how you slide her out, once you've got even close enough to, you know, get a hand on her what is the plan in terms of how to extract her? >> the plan is at this point is just to try to get her out, like i said through that door they are creating. these plans are constantly changing, it's a very fluid situation, just due to the nature of it. they want to do what is going to keep her the safest but being the most expedient at the same

time. martha: i would assume there is an ambulance standing by to take her directly to the hospital and check her out once you do that, right? >> oh, definitely, yes. martha: what about oxygen? does she need oxygen in there? >> we've got -- she's got plenty of bleatable air. we are blowing warm air into it. she is doing fine as far as we can tell. martha: keep up the great work. you never know what you're going to encounter when you wake up in the morning, very tough day for her, and we wish her well. thank you so much, lieutenant simmons. we'll be watching. bill: she is going to see daylight thanks to guys like that real soon. one of the eyewitnesses said she had the grip and was holding on the next thing you know she panicked and let go and fell down. it is 32 cold degrees in portland, organ. when they get her out we'll get that to you. breaking news from overseas, fox news alert now a complete panic

in the heart of london scenes out of a war zone, a helicopter crashing annex pleading in flames in the middle of a crowded street during the morning rush-hour. burning debris scarring the street. plumes of black smoke billowing into the sky. reports of two people dead, at least a dozen injured after a helicopter witness a crane hidden in the thick london fog. witnesses saying they thought the city was under attack. >> i saw the smoke, big black smoke going up in the sky and realized was the side of a factory. i run down to the streets and i saw the helicopter, it was on top -- on the floor by actually hit the car beside it. people running, and there is a motorbike on the side, the guy flying on the floor, a bicycle there. it was just a horrible scene. bill: amy kellogg streaming live from near the crash site in

central london. what happened here, amy? >> reporter: bill, let me situate you a little bit because a lot of our viewers will certainly know the city of london. just behind me the headquarters of the intelligence agency mi6. to the left a very busy commuter station on the south side of the river. to the right of me the river itself and ahead of me the scene of the crash. an investigation is underway, bill as we speak. the only possible explanation at this point is that fog that you referenced. because the pilot did ask for a diversionary landing at a nearby helipad before he crashed into the crane that was some 50 stories into the sky, which is quite dramatically high for the london skyline, which as you probably know is not particularly high. now, the pilot has been named as pete barnes, from a commercial

helicopter agency. coworkers say they are deaf stated by the loss. again, it is still to be determined what exactly caused this. as you said it was, as eyewitnesses put it, hike a scene from a war movie when this helicopter exploded into a fiery ball at rush-hour in the middle of london, bill. bill: a remarkable scene. amy kellogg, thank you that live report on the sidewalk of london. you can imagine why they thought it was terrorism after seeing the smoke and the fire and the history in that city. martha. martha: a second amendment showdown is brewing at the white house later this morning president obama will come forward and unveil his plan for the most sweeping gun control measures that our nation has seen in decades, we understand. he is already getting strong push back as you would imagine from tpraoups lik groups like the national rifle association which last night launched a bit of a preemptive strike. they criticized the president for accepting armed protection for his daughters at schools

when he questioned putting officers in other u.s. schools. they are getting a lot of attention from this. >> are the president's kids more important than yours? why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? mr. obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes but he's just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security. martha: well that is getting a lot of blow back today. and we want to get the impressions from larry pratt, executive director of gun owners of america. larry, welcome. good to have you here this morning. >> thank you, good to be with you. martha: is that ad okay? >> i think the ad is spot on. it points to the here pock crazy that we see so much from our ruling class and it underscores i think the need we've been pointing to that if we're going to get serious about protecting our children, we are going to do away with a gun-free zone requirement in federal law,

which has simply recrated the magnets for these mass murders that have occurred over the lots 20 years, allast 20 years, all of which have been in gun-free zones. it's pretty obvious what we should be doing, make it that teachers, anybody on staff that is qualified for a concealed carry permit can be carrying a concealed firearm so there is an element of uncertainty that would nice some monster to go into a school. he wouldn't know who might be the one who could confront him. actually a whole lot better than an armed guard with a badge on him. martha: can you understand at all sort of the reaction to this. talking about the president's kids is sort of something that americans, you know, respect the office of the presidency, and we have a long tradition of sort of not going there, not talking about the president's children, and certainly we all want to make sure that the president's children are protected by secret service. it's their right, and it's what we would expect.

>> it's what we would expect, but we also would expect the same for us. this is a democracy. this is a country where we are all equal before the law, and to have special privileges for others that wouldn't necessarily extend to us common people goes down a little hard, and that's why we are delighted that representative steve stockman has said he's willing to defunneled the white house if it moves against the rest of us, if it even becomes necessary, consider as one of of the tools in his toolbox impeachment. this is a serious confrontation. the president seems to be convinced that the american people don't need to be able to protect themselves. it's okay if he has secret service, but forget the rest of us. martha: all right, larry pratt, thank you for your opinion this morning. good to have you with us. lots more discussion about this in the coming hours. thank you, sir. >> thanks, martha. bill: it's only been about a month since the connecticut school shooting. we are hearing from the mother

now of one of the victims. she describes her son noah as a typical boy who loved scar wars and spongebob and his sisters. she also recalled a night shortly before he died when little noah got out of bed and came downstairs to see her. >> he came downstairs and he didn't have his pajama top on and it was cold. i said to him, what are you doing out of bed and what are you doing without your pajama top? an said i just wanted to give you one more hug, and i said, um, okay, and i said but why is your pajama top off, and i said so i can feel your heart better. and i remember that. bill: the stories never get any better. sandy hook still dealing with that. we heard some of the parents two nights ago talk for really the first time we have heard them talk about their sons and their daughters, and the experience that they are now working through, and what has been a

private ceremony to date, but publicly now. martha: you hear that woman's voice your heart just breaks for her. we've all had our kid get out of bed at night and come downstairs and you never think it's going to end in that kind of situation. we need to keep those families in mind as we talk about the way forward in this country and what the best solutions are and what the root causes of what happened in newtown really were so that we can prevent that kind of horrific disaster from happening again. bill: they will never h-b the same. to your strength newtown. a local sheriff has a serious message for the white house when it comes to gun control, why he says he will not enforce certain laws. how is that going to work? also this. >> the president simply will not offer any compromise on federal spending that might get a debt deal done. on guns as we just heard he's threatening executive orders. i think the president simply wants to damage the republicans

rather than solve complicated problems, at least at this juncture. martha: new criticism for president obama, is he more interested in paying politics than passing laws is one of the questions. we'll talk about it. bill: also, martha back to portland, they are just inches away from reaching a woman trapped between two walls. they are using this equipment, the portland fire department has set up to try -- that normally you'd see in earthquake rescues on the west coast. 32 chilly degrees. i'm hearing something -- something from portland now -- and perhaps only a few short moments away from seeing this woman freed again. the picture that you see with her wedged between the wall is something i have never seen before. this will stop you in your tracks. we'll show you -- martha: quite a morning for this woman. we wish her well, we hope she is on her way out safe low and soon. we'll bring you there live. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does!

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this breaking news. we are waiting for them to extract this woman from between these two walls. now that they've cut a hole in it you can see how very, very skinny the opening is between these two things, the building on a concrete wall. if you're just tuning in, around 3:45 this morning neighbors heard someone screaming, and they looked down, this woman was hanging with her hands over-the-top, and then -- there is her arm. oh, my goodness, this poor woman. bill: they are going to get her, that is unbelievable. the man in the blue hat i believe during the commercial break, he had -- he had some sort of liquid in a bottle that he was skirting inside there. it looked like a lubricant, maybe some sort of oil to help ease her out that of 8-inch space. martha: can you imagine? that is her hand as she tries to get out of this place. we heard an eyewitness a little while ago saying that she wopld thshe watched the woman as she was hanging and she slipped between the two walls. she must have slipped there

slowly. it was a very tight fit as we said. she still had her gun tpwhasess oglasses on as we told you sunglasses on. we will stay on it. we will go back there when they extract her. what a story. bill: she is moments from daylight. the government is only weeks away from hitting the spending limit. president obama says he will not negotiate with the republicans warning this a stalemate will only lead to a new financial crisis. is that true? john barrasso chairman much the senate policy committee. is that true? we are going to hear a lot about that in the coming weeks. >> no it's not true. the president has maxed out the credit card, he wants a brand-new credit card. this is a president when it came to raise -lg the debt ceiling when he was a senator said it was irresponsible to do so. he said it was because of a

failure of leadership. we have a president who is addicted to spending and he needs to just look in the mirror because he is the source of the problem. it's his healthcare law, it's the failed stimulus package, these are things that the president has forced through, the democrats have gone w and it is onwith, and it's one of the reasons we are so deeply in debt. if you're a family and bills are coming in, you take a look at the bills and say, how can we make sure that we pay these bills, but more importantly you want to say how can we make sure we don't have bigger bills to pay in the future. bill: what idea would you support? are you on john boehner's side who says we'll give you a dollar in debt if you give us a dollar in spending cuts, or pat toomey the republican senator from pennsylvania says you can make priority payments to make sure the military is covered and items like that, and then make less priority payments further off in the future. would you go for one or option number two? >> i've cosponsored pat toomey's legislation, it is a temporary

measure because we have to get the spending under control. that is the big problem here in this country right now, bill. we are burying our children and grandchildren under a mountain of debt. and the credit agencies say they are going to lower our ratings but not because of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things. i'm going to continue to cosponsor senator haopl me's plan. we have a spending problem in this country. they know it in wyoming, families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming.

it's time for this senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and specifically the wasteful spending that continues. in the last hour stewart varney and martha talked about some of the abuses that continue to go on. people know that their tax dollars are being wasted. we need to get the spending under control. bill: two days ago brit hume told us this will be bloody, this battle. will it? >> the future of our country is at stake here and the president wants to continue on his path of spending. he has said in the past spending is not the problem, the american people are very disappointed because they know that the president is wrong here. spending is the problem. we have to get the spending under control. bill: what does that say about our economic health when they come out and say we are going to downgrade you anyway, whether you cut a deal now or in a month from now? >> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution.

bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the hill, republican from wyoming. >> thank you, bill. martha: let's go back to the scene where they are working to extricate this woman. that's a look at her hand. they are trying to get her out of there as carefully as they possibly can. they have no idea whether she was broken bones or in terrible damage. at this point they say she is conscious and speaking with them. they are working very hard to get her out. boy will she have a story to tell when they do. we'll be right back here with breaking news from "america's newsroom" from portland this morning. hi. i'm henry winkler.

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>> what are we looking at right now, lieutenant. >> right now we have one of our paramedics talking to the patient, and what they are doing is they are just trying to spread that wall enough to gain access to her and to be able to slide her out. they are using lubricant, they are using lubricants to try to make her more slippery so they can slide her over and get her out of that door. >> what about the air bags? we saw those go down as well. tell us a little bit about what those are doing. >> the air bags are in between the wall and the building, and the idea there is that they are capable of lifting cars, they are very strong air bags.

we are going to spread this wall that we've created relief cuts in away from the building and make enough space. >> i can see they've cut away her shirt, is that also to try and -- to create more room to get her out? >> exactly, exactly. as you can imagine with a wall like this it's a very rough surface. anything you can do to create more space and not have a snag there is worth it. >> are your crews pretty confident that they'll be able to get her out through the hole within the next few minutes? we watched the paramedics trying to get her out. what is your estimation on how long this could take? >> as i said before these operations are so fluid it's hard to say. you can see they are using that bottle there and that is lubricant to try to make her more slippery. it's just a slow, steady operation. i don't have a good estimate on how long it will take. i would imagine it would be any time now. >> i would imagine too there is concern with trying to pull her out that you don't want to injure her while you're doing

that. >> we don't want to make her injuries worse, that is the main thing. we want to get her out as safely as we can. it's obviously scary for her, she is in a hurry to get out. but we want to do it safely. >> if this doesn't work, what would be plan b. >> they could cut a hole above and pull the wall away as we talked about initially. they have a lot of options at this point with having such good access to her. they'll continue to try this for a little while and i think they've got a pretty good chance of this working. they've got a lot of different plans. >> how long will they continue to do this. wiggle back and forth and try to get her out? stkphreut looks like at this point she is getting closer. i think they'll keep doing it as long as they are making forward progress. >> thank you again. that is lieutenant damon simmons with portland fire and rescue giving us an update. you heard about the lubricant, air brags, anything possible to create room. i walked around the corner, i could see her forearm as well as her upper arm, they've cut away

her shirt to gain more access to her and get her out. bill: that's a reporter on the scene from kptv television in portland, oregon. we've been watching this now for about an hour and 20 minutes. martha: fascinating. it must be terrifying for her. bill: we said at the outset we have never quite seen a story like this before, and so you're watching it along with us. she still has her eyeglasses on. she's been inside that knock for what, four hours plus now? 8 inches wide, apparently fell in this area at 3:00 this the morning. martha: you know, i think it's reassuring that she seems to be using her arm to try to grab that sidewall, which would indicate, hopefully that there is no serious spinal injury or anything of that type. we are seeing the top of her face right now.

this is unbelievable. she is trying to get herself out now. bill: she's got a smile on her face. >> this guy has been working with her. boy, will they be friends for the rest of their lives, right? i mean this woman -- he's been talking her through this whole thing. of course we are all still wondering what the heck she was doing up on that wall in the middle -- at 3:00 in the morning. that's when we think she fell down there. but she is going to have a story to tell about how she got there. bill: three things they are trying to do there. you heard about the lubricant trying to put it on her skin so she can slide off the cinder block, and also the equipment they used that is reserved for earthquakes in the area when they arise. but the airbag philosophy, to blow up the airbag to keep the cinder block and the wall separate towed give her just a little bit of a nudge so she can slide her body out of there. martha: it's encouraging how

much she is participating in this. she is trying to literally push herself out. she seems to be in good shape, which is a great, great sign. given how small it is she probably slid very slowly into that area, oh, my gosh, there she is. there she is. bill: she is home. >> unbelievable. look at her. my gosh. what on earth, what a crazy story, huh? bill: bill: unbelievable there was an eyewitness, her name was kia king. she said the woman still had her purse with her and she is the one who heard the cries for helper lee in the morning. that must have been in the middle of of the night portland time. she saw the woman trying to climb out of the space but as she was tolding on she lost her grip, she started to panic, and you can understand why, she fell down to the condition where she has been for the last four and a half hours. martha: she is hugging somebody there. we heard earlier that her

husband is on the scene. and that's her husband, big kiss. unbelievable. bill: the fire department wanted to give her more support, obviously with her trying to be extricated for this long of time. congratulations. portland fire department gets our play of the day. martha: they absolutely do. what an amazing moment that was, what a story. you don't see that every day. we'll be right back in "america's newsroom," portland, oregon. bill: what is going to happen next? there are only so many foos that make kids happy. and even fewer that make moms happy too. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

martha: a republican congressman is proposing a new way to handle our nation's crushing debt, a bill that ties lawmakers' salaries to the rate of federal spending. for example if spending rises by 7% in a given year then salaries would be cut by 7%, the sort of reverse sales incentive of sorts. virginia republican congressman randy forbes is behind this bill and he joins me now. good morning, glad to have you with us. >> it's great to be with you. martha: if you work a at a company and sales go higher it's an incentive that you'll get a little bit of a bonus that year based on what you're able tow produce. >> it's a great merit system. martha: what is the response to it. >> we've had a good response so far. we have to get debt spending under control and we can either do that by having the president do it, but he's shown in his budgets and rhetoric he's not going to do it. we could have a balanced budget amendment which you support but

that would take two-thirds vote to get it done, we'd have to have the states ratify it and we are running out of time. and the third thing is to make legislators have some skin in the game. if you don't get the job done we'll cut your pay accordingly and i think it will get people to the table to get this under control. martha: let's say they cut spending, let's live in a fantasy world for a moment. if they cut spending is their salary going to go up. >> it shouldn't. they are just doing their jobs. if they do their jobs they should get their pay. if they don't get their jobs they shouldn't get the same amount of pay and that's what this bill would do. martha: the problem is you've got special interest, a defense contractor in your district or a car company in your district and if you make any changes that would adversely effect any of them or any other kind of special interest out there you're not going to get reelected again and it's not going to matter if your sal row goats up or down. >> that's true.

it's important we do this for the country. there are some things we could do right off the bat to cut the spending. we need to stop all the money we are spending to the united nations, that would be billions of dollars. second thing we could do is stop all the money we're spending by the secretary of the navy for green, that has nothing to do with the navy. federal travel, if we cut that in half we'd save $7.5 billion. we know the cost of obamacare. there are things we could do right off the bat and get the economy under control and save the future for our children and grandchildren. martha: it's a very interesting idea to hold members of congress accountable for the increase in the budget that i think everybody agrees is out of control. sir, thank you. good luck. check back in with us. let us know how itor you okay. >> we will. have a great day. bill: $7 billion for travel. back to portland, the man who rescued this woman just talked to our fox affiliate. that is the guy right there in the middle of your screen, listen to how he described the

extraction that just took place. roll this. >> she was in good spirits. cold, obviously. she is up against two cold pieces of concrete. we just assured her we were doing everything we could to get her out and we would get her out as soon as possible and we weren't going home without her. and that was it. >> you you know i really didn't get a good understanding of how she got herself stuck in there. [inaudible] >> yeah, yeah, she worked really hard to help us get out of there. we used some soa soapy water to lube up the sides of the wall. between us and her she was getting out. [inaudible] >> you know, i'd have to ask, probably about eight inches, maybe, something like that. it was narrow, it was tight. [inaudible] >> mainly that she was cold and she wanted to get out as soon as

possible. she was in good spirits the whole time, though, a real trooper. she worked really hard. >> what did you do to help keep her warm. >> we used a propane heater with a long tube. we have equipment that is specially designed for situations like this. it shoots warm out down to her, keep her warm. >> you managed to get blankets to her as well in. >> we were able to toss down some blankets. we heated up to iv fluid in case it got to the point where we needed to give her warm fluids. it didn't get to that. bill: he put his finger on the at question here, how did she get there? we heard about 3:00, 3:30 in the morning this woman fell between this cinder block wall and another area and she held on for some time before finally letting go. thank goodness those men in portland were there to extract her. martha: don't you love people like that? he says, you know, i just assured her that we weren't leaving without her. how reassuring would that be in that situation to have that guy

look at you and say we are not going anywhere without you. we are dying to know of course because we are in the news business what she was doing up there. they don't care, they say our goal was to get her out. how she got there is really not their concern at the moment. bill: that is the good story of the day by the way. martha: yes. bill: there you have it. martha: there is no good story other than that. how about this. a fierce fight overt second amendment and the rights of that amendment in this country. now listen to this. one sheriff is warning the white house that he will not abide by any new laws. can he get away with that? we're going to talk to the judge, we'll be right back.

bill: we ordered this up from the j. the familiar theme from the godfather the town associate wed that movie issuing now a formal apology. the mayor of corleone, it hrae asks forgiveness for all the murder committed by the real life godfather coming on the 20th anniversary of the arrest of a mobster. he is serving life sentences in connection with several murders. there you have it. all is well. martha: it makes you want to spend the afternoon watching the two good godfather movies, one and two. we'll save that for another day. in the meantime how about this story for you, a wyoming sheriff is now saying that he will ignore any of the white house's new gun control recommendations that his department find unconstitutional. president obama set to make that announcement about an hour from now. but this sheriff is not alone. at least six states say that they are seriously considering taking some sort of legislative

action against the government. those states include alabama, missouri, montana, south carolina, texas, and wyoming. meanwhile many sheriffs, like the one in wyoming are calling also for action. judge judge andrew napolitano senior judicial analyst at fox and friend of "america's newsroom." >> good to be with you martha and bill with his wise cracks over there. bill: i'm good for that. martha: can they do this? >> yes. this is an interesting area of law enforcement. everybody in law enforcement in the judiciary takes the same oath, i took the oath. it's to uphold the constitution of the united states. eufpl police it in the oath is a judgment that each individual makes, is this order that my superiors have given me, is this request that my colleagues have asked of me, is this application that lawyers have made before me, consistent with the constitution? normally there is tremendous cooperation between state and local law enforcement on one hand and the fed on the other

and that is for a variety of reasons. they help each other, sometimes the state has to call on the fed and the fed have something the states don't, a big, fat checkbook. the fed fund a lot of local law enforcement. occasionally the feds will ask state and law enforcement to do something they don't want to do. it might be against a local law or state law. for example in colorado and in the state of washington today local law enforcement cannot enforce federal laws against marijuana, because marijuana is permissible under state law. that is a direct clash, a direct conflict. in this particular case, with this sheriff, he is, i think, accurately anticipating that the president will seek legislation and sign executive orders that will infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms. is it a crime for him to refuse to cooperate with the feds? absolutely not. does he have the discretion, the lawful ability to refuse to cooperate with the feds, yes, he does. this is actually a growing movement throughout the country. local and state law enforcement

saying to the fed, those are your laws, you enforce them. martha: it's fascinating. when you look at an executive order, i think most people would assume that that's an executive order, that that has to be carried out across all levels of law enforcement in the country. let's talk about it on a practical matter in terms of how it might manifest itself. we are expecting the president will put in this proposal limits on multiple clips, limits on certain kind of weapons. how will that manifest itself in terms of having sheriffs act. >> those limitations, on the size of the weapons, the power of the weapons, the amount of bullets that a clip can hold can only be ledge a littled by the congress. the president can't do that. and the president's executive orders can only apply to people who work for him, employees of the federal government. harry true man when he became president was scandalized to learn that the federal government was segregated, the military and the civilian workforce, with an executive order he stopped the segregation by race. the president has the power to

do that. could he have desegregated state governments? no, he didn't have the authority. now the president does because of civil rights law happily enacted since then. so the president of the united states cannot tell a local sheriff, a local police officer, a state attorney general what to do. he can only tell federal law enforcement what to do. but that's a big stick, because they sometimes show up with a checkbook, and that's a great inducement to comply with what the fed want when they are going to let you hire x number of more police and they are going to pay for it. where this goes i don't know. personally -- martha: purse strings are gentlemen powerful. >> purse strings are very powerful. i commend, i applaud local law enforcement when they say to the fed, don't come here, this is our problem and we'll deal witness. the constitution means what it says right here. martha: fascinating constitutional debate. i know that you're somewhat interested in those. judge, thank you so much. >> i'm hung up on this constitution thing. martha: we love that about you. thank you, judge. bill: a follow-up on this.

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if your heart doesn't go out to him who will it go out to. bill: we spoke to a firearms expert about the guns under new scrutiny and persistent things that are clouding this debate. william la jeunesse is live with more on this now. good morning. >> it's important to understand exactly what an assault rifle is. take a look at this picture, the gun on top is legal, the one below with all the add-ons is not under a new assault weapons bill, yet they are the same gun and shoot the same bullet which is why many argue the term assault weapon is misleading. >> the number one myth has to be that they are machine guns. they are not machine guns. these are semi-auto, meaning i pull the trigger one time, it goes boom one time, boom, boom, boom. it does not go like this. >> the new assault weapons bill bans any gun with more than one

military characteristics. >> military characteristics would be the tell scoping stalk, pistol grip. >> they call them cosmetic and have nothing to do with crime or carnage. >> this shoots a 30-06 which is capable of going through about three people. where as the 223 is going to stop in the first person it shoots. >> senator dianne feinstein claims her assault weapons ban targets america's most dangerous guns, yet none of the nation's top crime guns are on her list. >> these little guns here seem to be more of a problem than these guns, so why are they coming after these guns? >> feinstein's bill also outlaws the thumb-hole stock seen here, high capacity magazines and a button that allows users to change them quickly. >> is it more dangerous? here are three ten-round magazines. ten times.

ten times. that was pretty slow, and i still changed out three ten-round magazines in less than seven seconds. >> the last assault weapons ban had quote, no clear impact on gun violence according to the national academy of sciences and the justice department. 90% of murders are committed with handguns. this new ban is much more comprehensive and antigun advocates argue you have to start somewhere. bill: william la jeunesse live in los angeles live on this story. we mentioned this a short time ago. al-qaida in maghreb who claims to have taken americans hostage. we'll tell you where that is happening right after this break. ♪

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